You Think I’m Failing…Here’s My Response

Over the past few weeks, I’ve received a few comments/e-mails that essentially question or criticize my current niche site progress.  Because there are a few of you who have actually voiced this criticism, I can imagine there are probably more people who are thinking the same thing.  In simple terms, you think I’m on the path to failure.

There was one comment that really stood out to me (I’ll repost it below), because of its bluntness and honesty. While my gut reaction was to be defensive, I greatly appreciated the criticism and I do see some truth to it.  However, I wanted to take the opportunity to give a more detailed response on why I think everything’s going to be okay.

This was the comment I received, from Dan, on my recent income report:

Eric, I enjoy your blog, but someone here has to keep it real. The micro niche sites really seem to be failing. Less than a dollar per month per site? Dude, at that price you barely cover the domain registration cost. I can also tell you why your conversion rate is so low on these sites, its because you aren’t giving the reader the information they need to make a purchase. These thin micro niche sites are out imo. I’d just focus on that authority site – and if it’s in a real niche there should be tons of ways to expand the site, and with some work you could drive more traffic with one site if you focus your efforts. Even if you don’t rank for any major key terms yet, the longtail should be driving a ton of traffic if you have lots of high quality content.

Sorry man but $1/month niche sites seems like a poor investment of time – let alone money. Hate to give ya this “tough love” type post but I know you are a good guy, and just wanted to help out / give back a little. I think you should rethink your strategy.

I think Dan has a lot of great points here, but there are a few things he is missing (in my opinion).  Let’s break it down.

My Response

There are a few key points that Dan touches upon here that I’d like to respond to individually, and a few things I want to point out.

Why “less than a dollar per month per site” isn’t is as bad as it looks.

First of all, Dan’s statement is accurate. Last month, my 81 micro-niche sites generated $74.06.  Not that it makes too much of a difference, this was actually the first month in the past 9 months where my sites generated under $1/month each.  The previous 8 months all saw $2/month or more per site, mainly because I had less sites and a handful of them were doing well with Amazon.

Although earnings appear low, it’s very important to note that 62 of the 81 sites were created less than 3 months ago.   Of those, 40 were created within the past 2 months, and of those, 20 were created just about a month ago. 

Don’t get “created” confused with “completed.”  Most of my niche sites are NOT complete yet.  Many of them still only have 1 page of true content (along with the standard privacy policy, contact, and about us pages), and I’ve only gone through one round of backlink building.  For some niches/keywords, that’s enough, but for many others, it’s not.

The key thing to remember is, these sites aren’t done yet.  

I don’t do this full time.

I’ll start off by pointing out that I know there are many people who are successful online, who don’t do it full time.  At the same time, most of the people you read about who are making at least $X,XXX per month are spending a good amount of time on it (or at some point they put in a lot of time).

I work a full time job, and during tax season, it’s more than full time (60+ hours/week on average).  That leaves little time for me to blog and work on my niche sites.  I’d estimate that I spend maybe 5-7 hours per week on building and maintaining niche sites.  While this doesn’t make success impossible, it does lengthen the timeline for reaching my goals.  It’s only logical that someone who can do this 10-15 hours per week could do the same thing in half as much time, assuming everything else is the same – maybe even faster (due to efficiencies built and probably being able to outsource sooner).

The important thing to me is that I’m okay with this.  The ability to be patient in this game is so crucial to being successful.  The willingness to fail and keep moving forward is even more critical. 

I’m just trying to be transparent.

I know I don’t excite anyone by showing them how my micro niche sites didn’t crack $100 last month.  If you want exciting success stories, there are a ton of other blogs you can read.  The most popular bloggers in this niche are obviously the more successful ones – the ones who are easily clearing $100,000 per year.

While there are many more people like me who are only earning modest amounts, we don’t have a very loud voice.  I’m fortunate enough that I have a fair amount of people who read this blog, but I don’t (and never claim to) have a level of success that even comes close to most other bloggers you read about.

I’m showing you the journey – so one day, whether I find massive success or utter failure, I can look back and clearly see that this is how I got there.

I’m not going to give up.

While some of you may think I’m wasting my time and money, I’m confident that I’m not.  First of all, my projects are fully funded by the money I earn online, so it’s not like I’m dipping into my “offline” earnings or savings to build these sites.

Second, this is a great learning experience.  Looking at where I started over a year ago, I’ve come a long way.  More importantly, I enjoy this.  Sure, maybe I would’ve made more money if I spent all this time flipping burgers at McDonald’s, but I can assure you that it wouldn’t be as fun.  Every time I see a new niche site get its first click, even if it’s for 37 cents, I still get excited.  That to me is enough motivation to keep pushing forward.

I concur – it’s time to rethink my strategy.

Just to bring this discussion back to Dan’s comment, I want to acknowledge that I agree it’s time to rethink my strategy.  It would be wrong if I didn’t tweak things along the way.

Although my initial goal was to build over 200 micro niche sites, I do think it’s important to make sure I can get a group of 80 sites to be profitable first.  So, I’m going to slow down my niche site creation and put more work into finishing the current sites I have.  For the most part, that means adding more content and backlinks.

Authority sites are better, but micro-niche sites are NOT dead.

On a final note, I just want to say that I don’t believe micro-niche sites are dead.  You still need to provide good content and build adequate backlinks, but at the end of the day, you need to remember that Google ranks pages, not websites.  For long-tail, low competition keywords, there is a spot for thinner websites that are extremely relevant to the search term.

While authority sites will always have greater potential, they also require more focus and effort.  And with that, comes more risk.  If a micro-niche site fails, you’ve maybe wasted a few hours and $30-50, but if an authority site fails, the loss could be much greater.  Again, you also have a better chance of succeeding, so you’re compensated for the extra risk.

I think I have niche site A.D.D. - all joking aside, I have fun creating new sites.  For me to keep moving forward, I need to enjoy what I’m doing.  If I get bored of an authority site halfway through its creation, I might end up with nothing.  To me, that’s something that needs to be taken into consideration. You might be different, but that’s how I operate.  I know that “spreading myself thin” isn’t a great way to work, but it keeps me interested and motivated, so it’s oddly an ideal working style for me.  Again, this may not be true for you.

Conclusion

Thanks again for the comment, Dan.  While I know I’ve argued a lot of what you wrote, your comment did open my eyes a bit and make me realize that I do need to put more work into my current sites before I go crazy building 100 more sites.

What does everyone else think?  Also, I’d be curious to hear from any of you who work like me, and how you deal with it.

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66 Responses to “You Think I’m Failing…Here’s My Response”

  1. I am with you on this. If you start measuring “success” of a niche site when it is only 2-3 months old, you will never succeed.

    If someone thinks that micro niche sites are too easy to create/rank/monetize, they are wrong. They are supposed to be “easier”. The aim is not to earn a lot from every site, but “enough” from each one of those and that takes time too.

    Just my two cents, based on my experience of working on 30 odd niche sites.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks Sarbjit – you are absolutely right that micro niche sites are not “too easy.” While they may be easy to create, it does take a lot of work to get each site profitable.

    Obviously, certain niches will be easier than others, but it’s definitely not a “get rich quick” situation for most people.

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    Jacko Reply:

    Very good point. I agree. You have to stay at it. It has taken me two months to get my pagerank to a respectable level so that google will be ok sending me traffic.
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  2. How many hours do you think you’ve put into this project right now?

    I think when it comes to sites like this, it’s much better to look at it from an asset value perspective rather than a monthly cashflow perspective.

    Yes, you only earned $74 last month after putting in a lot of work. But that $74′s asset value is probably around $750 to $1,000.

    In other words, if you went on Flippa and liquidated your sites, that’s what it’d be worth. The asset is what’s actually been created and is a more accurate gauge of your time’s ROI than the monthly cashflow.

    That said, I do think that the amount of time and effort you’ve put into it probably hasn’t paid off very well yet.

    If you put all the time you’ve spent building these sites into freelancing at $30 an hour, you’d probably be looking at a lot more than $750.

    I think you’re doing a lot better than people give you credit for :) But I also agree that there’s room for improvement.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    It’s hard for me to say exactly how many hours I’ve put into this project so far, but you make a great point about asset value. Really, your site is worth the present value of its future cashflows, whatever that may be.

    And I agree, it definitely hasn’t paid off yet. I’m confident that things will improve – it’s only a matter of time.

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  3. Hey Eric,

    First of all – much respect man. I’m glad my comment got you thinking, looking back on it it does seem pretty harsh. I totally respect and admire the transparency of your project, and you have provided a lot of value here (which is why I decided to follow regularly). I think you raise some valid points, and I certainly don’t want to discourage you from trying to make progress / reach your goals.

    Personally, I have found more success focusing on one main project. I have a dozen or so niche sites that I created before I decided to do a big site, and some of those niche sites make decent money while others continue to flounder even a year or two after creation. Part of my rationale for focusing on a big site is building a brand and an asset rather than just a website. I wanted something that could truly excite people, and build natural search metrics like social shares and links. Something like your website here. It’s been a slow road but the site has picked up a lot of steam (and makes low 4 figures a month). It’s been a lot of fun, and yes, it’s taken hours of work, but in the end I think it’s worth it as each new post builds on the last and I’ve greatly enjoyed interacting with the industry the site operates in.

    Eric, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comment in such detail. I look forward to continuing to follow your blog and truly wish you success in your endeavors whether you continue building out niche sites or decide to focus your efforts on another strategy. If you would like to email me, maybe we can setup a time to chat on the phone and further discuss strategy.

    best regards,

    Dan

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Hey Dan,

    Thanks for the comment and for being the inspiration for this post. The “one main project” approach definitely seems to be a solid way to invest your time, and perhaps I will eventually get to that point. For now though, I’d like to prove to everyone that I can make these micro niche sites worthwhile. :P

    I would be interested in discussing strategy sometime, and learn a little bit more about your authority site.

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    Leszek Cyfer Reply:

    You can use your micro sites to determine the theme of the authority sites – out of dozens some perform better – nail that theme and build authority site around it. Another example of throwing ideas at the wall and choosing what sticked to it.

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    snowonsummer Reply:

    I agreed with dan, but doesn’t blame you for your excitment, from dan perspective, he wondering why you were building tiny niche website, instead focusing on a big one ?

    With an earning like $1/month from a website is the same as paying the domain and hosting fee :D

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  4. I had a similar thought, 81 sites / $75 I just did not voice it..

    What comes to mind is “could not the $800 spent on domains” be better invested else where, $800 buys a lot of content..

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Agreed, $800 does buy a lot of content, and perhaps a site with $800 worth of content would be earning more money than 80 sites with very little content.

    I do, however, believe that of my 80+ sites, I’ve planted a lot of seeds. Some may never grow into anything, but I have to believe that there will be at least a few that do really well. Only time will tell…

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    Kent @ Niche Marketing Tips Reply:

    True.. you may want to fertilize your seeds a little bit more. Seeds need water, nutrient, love, and caring. :)

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  5. Hey Eric, keep doing what you need to do to succeed. You can view your projects/progress so far as a learning experience if it did not let you reach your financial goals.

    The experience, and everything you have learned from the very first day cannot be taken from you, and you can apply this knowledge in any way that you want. Domain, 9$, hosting 7$, everything you have learned thus far from your efforts, priceless!

    I have had many times when i have switched my strategy up a bit once i noticed what was working for me, and what was not. You have to if you want to make money online because the playing field is always changing. I will probably refine my methods many more times before i reach my desired income goals, and i don’t have any problem with that.

    Figure out why your current websites are not making as much as you want them to, and refine your websites/methods until you find what works.

    Just thank god you don’t have crazy family members that think your just “doing kids stuff”, or “going down the wrong path”. All you need you need you to do is find a system that works for you. Once you have your system refined, you can just scale it up, and that is what making money online is all about.

    It might actually be a good idea to invest some of “your own money” into your websites/efforts if you can afford to. I only wish i would have started doing this stuff when i had the luxury of a “real job” so i could have invested that money to accelerate my efforts instead of going to the mountain and the beach every weekend.

    Anyway, i am just trying to say regardless of what ANYONE says to you, do what you feel is right. It looks like you are simply at a point in your IM career where you just need to refine your own personal system. Figure out what makes money for you online on a small scale,create your system, and outsource whatever you don’t like doing until you reach your desired income goals.

    It sounds really simple, and it really is that simple. I think people that have the luxury of a full time job working on this stuff part time are the best candidates when it comes to reaching huge income goals online. Keep up the great info you provide here, and keep on keepin’ on!

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks so much for the supportive comment, Julian. It’s people like you who keep me motivated to continue working hard when I can.

    You are right that it’s important to constantly change your strategy along the way, as the environment changes.

    I’m a big fan in reinvesting money into my business – and I am fortunate enough to have a full time job to support my normal living expenses, so all of my online efforts are fully funded by the money I make online.

    Thanks again for the thoughtful comment, I really appreciate it!

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  6. I think you are right to wait and see how these 80 sites do before ploughing on into the other 120.

    But I also think you are right that this is a long term thing and its best not to judge these sites until they are ranking and have had time to settle in.

    As much as I hate to admit I think there is some truth in the death of micro niche sites. Nearly all my product niche sites have been hit hard over the last few months and my earnings are well over 50% down on the month. This has really got me down and I’m not sure whether to give up or not especially now I am so short on time and resources. But then I read sites like Niche Pursuits and realise there is lots of life in the micro niche, for now at least!

    Good luck with your project!

    @Neale: how is the $400 a month challenge going? Waiting for the rest of the instalments…
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks Joe. You’re right, it’s very uncertain how viable this “business model” will be in the future. I think it’s maybe just not as easy as it once was, but if you continue to adapt with Google and work hard at it, you can still find a few micro niche gems out there.

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  7. The post and replies look at it from both sides and truly present a rounded view. Thanks for taking on this subject in a constructive back and forth manner; that is very instructional and for someone like me, who has yet to determine which way to go on any site, it gives me content with depth. This is a great blog and I will continue to follow it!

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the kind words, Mike!

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  8. I think it’s still too early to call it a failure. It’s not a mistake if you learn something from it. And I do agree that each micro niche site is a seed. Just because it started off as a micro niche site doesn’t mean you won’t find some potential in one of them and end up expanding it into something you weren’t expecting.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    That’s what I’m thinking – any one of these sites has the potential to expand, and in time, I’ll figure out which ones. Thanks for the comment, Jennifer.

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  9. Your doing a lot better than most people who quit and give up easily. I’m not making much, but I’d rather keep working on my blog/niche sites til I can figure out how to make it work. Keep up with your work!
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks Harrison!

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  10. Eric,

    Being transparent is great, I have to admit I was one of the silent ones who read your income report and thought ‘Oh dear’. It certainly looked like pocket change compared to Pat Flyn’s income reports. Even for niche it felt low.

    I think the best thing that can happen which actually makes this very worthwhile content for us all is watching you make mistakes here and now and climb out of it in real time. We are in a fast changing world online in this business and to hear a n established affiliate site marketer/blogger sitting comfortably on their authority sites talking about how they made mistakes in the past it doesn’t help us much now.

    I am listening to you because I want to know what it takes to succeed now.

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Hey Chris,

    Thanks for the comment. I think all of our incomes look like pocket change next to Pat Flynn. :P

    But yes, you are right – ultimately, if I succeed or fail (let’s hope it’s not the latter), you will see exactly how I get there, and you can take from it whatever you’d like.

    The purpose of this blog was never so that I could become a “guru” who teaches (or preaches) – I started this blog to document my journey, and that’s the reason I continue to blog here.

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    Kent @ Niche Marketing Tips Reply:

    Well, Pat took more than 3 years focusing and working on this full time. He is just smart and builds up his branding.

    Focus on ONE thing and get A’s in it. I beat him one number last month. ;) It’s do-able.
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  11. Hi Eric,

    I hear you and take it easy. :) This is totally 4 hour a work week project. I’m doing this part-time too.

    You just haven’t hit the home-run yet. Your transparent journey and willing to experiment is the key and very attractive to me as a follower.

    Who said MMO is easy and everyone could reach 6-digit in a year?

    As a strategy wise, it’s my friendly suggestion that you’d focus a few “potential” micro-niche sites to grow them as 10-20 pages authority ones. It would be nice to have 5 to 10 sites making you couple hundreds a month.

    For example, 2 of my 5-10 page Adsense sites made me $100 in Jan. It would keep me going. I just need to “duplicate” the success.

    Even though Amazon, the potential is unlimited and it’s possible to make 4-digit and even 5. I am a honor student of NPC too.

    As you said, focus is the key. It would be nice to focus a few, write more content, and grow the traffic before moving on the new ones.

    I’d rather to have 5 to 10 sites with strong traffic and income – making up the return. Indeed, I plan to build 50 sites this year.. one a week, meanwhile growing all my existing ones, and ban those disappointing one.

    It’s a number game, brother. I know you are an accountant and very good in math than I do. Watch out your cash flow – Investment, Income, and Return.

    As a rich dad poor dad said, we are building up our Assets. For me, my niche sites are the assets making me passive income. (My ultimate goal is rental property asset).

    Everyone wanna make extra money online. Keep working on 4 hr workweek ones!

    Look forward to hearing your next success.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Hi Kent,

    Thanks so much for the thoughtful comment. Based on your advice and the advice of others here, I’ve definitely decided to take a break from creating new sites and instead spend the time to really build up the sites I currently have. They won’t all be winners obviously, but even if I could only get half of them making $50/month each, that would be still $2k/month (assuming the other half of the sites make nothing).

    No doubt, “building assets” takes time and patience. Fortunately, I’ve got both. :)

    Anyway, thanks again for the comment and best of luck with your projects too. Looking forward to watching us all succeed.

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  12. Hi Eric,

    Thanks for the nice post..Transparency is really great
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the comment, Amit – and I agree, transparency is definitely a good thing.

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  13. I am saying you truthfully. I have 137 domains. out of which i bought 21 info more than year ago. I kept 9 and let other expire. At that time i had not experience of keyword research. Since 2-3 is in top 1-2 pages but still not big earner. Made $10 from amazon in one year.

    Now, i have 30-40 sites, most of them is not ranking in top 5. But still i am able to mkae $300 per month. I am saying you this. If you can afford to complete the process of promotion and backlinking. You will make money or else no money.

    Spencer also outsource and he have dedicted Av doing that. So, believe me micro site works. But you need to speed up the process. Also, authority site is also good thing.

    If you are thinking that, with age your site will rank. No all the cases, you need to do promotion.

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks Rahul – you’re right, it does require more than just age to succeed…backlinking is definitely a key part of it.

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  14. Dude, keep it going, you only fail if you quit!

    I have 4 niche sites, all less than 5 pages each, and they make me around £800 per month in adsense. It can be done and i’m willing to give help if you need it.

    Keep going man, my biggest break came when i decide to stick at! Push through the wall!

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Great comment, G man. I like that – “you only fail if you quit.” I’ll keep pushing through, and I’m confident the results will come.

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  15. Hey Eric,

    Just wanted to throw in my support for what you’re doing and offer some advice.

    As someone who makes a living from online income, I’ve made my fair share of mistakes (from SEO). One if the BIGGEST was trying to launch hundreds of little sites. I made it all the way to 150 EMD sites, similar to what you’re doing. Like you, I thought the $1/day/site thing sounded appealing until I realized that:

    a) The $1/day/site is completely arbitrary. Why not $9.00 or $1.17?

    b) You don’t make $1/day/site. Mini sites are 80/20 principle on steroids!

    The best thing I did was slow down, work on my existing sites and only expand after a few of those were ranking and earning.

    I think that’s the conclusion you’ve reached and I support you 100%. Less is more!

    Thanks,
    Brian

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    G man Reply:

    That’s a good idea. Do this along side what you’re already doing and see what wins.

    Test! :)

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    rahul Reply:

    Very true, i am identifying bigger wins and removing smaller one slowly. Some niche site don’t pay even they get 3k visits. But this is giving good idea of niche sites. But surely we can be able to run huge authority sites because of this.

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    Eric G. Reply:

    I really appreciate the thoughtful comment, Brian. I’m definitely on board with the plan to slow down and focus on what I’ve created so far. You’re absolutely right though – aiming for $1/day per site is very arbitrary. There’s no reason I (or anyone else) can’t shoot for something higher.

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  16. While you may not be earning that much from your niche sites yet, I still enjoy reading about your processes and I find you an inspiration. Blogs like yours inspire me to keep going on my sites. I like you have a full time job and therefore take it slow but I don’t worry to much about that. I work on my sites when I feel like it and if it takes me a few years to start earning money from them, well I’ve accepted that and I’m fine with it. I’ll enjoy the process along the way.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks so much – it’s a mutual feeling – I’m just as inspired by the comments people like you leave here. It honestly is much of what keeps me going.

    There’s nothing wrong with slow and steady. Trying to find success “overnight” is a flawed plan. Take your time, but be persistent. The results will come eventually.

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  17. Dude keep pressing ahead with it. I live in Davao City, and two of my buddies here are ABSOLUTELY KILLING it with niche sites at the moment. They made $40,000 last month! You probably heard of them … http://www.AdsenseFlippers.com

    They are doing so well, we decided to get on board this month and start doing the same. We will start reporting back on our site.

    Keep plugging away mate. I will be keeping a close eye. Great public, transparent response btw. Love it!

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks man – and yes, I’ve definitely heard of them and really enjoy their content (both blog and podcast). Really good stuff.

    I just checked out your blog and saw all the different businesses you’re involved with – looks like you (and your buddies) are really crushing it. Best of luck to you, and thanks for the comment.

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    Justin Reply:

    Thanks for the mention and response, guys!

    We’ve done quite well with the niche sites, but I’m not convinced anyone can do it. I think we kind of lucked out because it fit our skillsets, we have access to cheap labor through our “real” job with our outsourcing company, etc. It’s definitely possible you’ll do quite well…but then again…heh

    I don’t think backing down to the 80 sites and seeing how they do is a bad strategy. Even though we’ve done quite well…if we start making major mistakes on site creation and don’t notice it for a few months…we’re out quite a bit of money…no guarantees here, unfortunately.

    That being said, it’s your transparency and “we’re in this together” attitude that makes this blog such a success…you’re definitely not “failing” there, hehe.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Hey Justin,

    Thanks for the comment – love your blog and podcast. I agree that this isn’t for everyone – for someone like me though (with a “normal” job), it’s great for a side project.

    Hopefully with some more focus on my current sites, they will become a success (collectively). More importantly, I’ll learn a thing or two about what works (and what doesn’t), to build future sites.

  18. “Press On” is what I learned from this venture Eric. Yes, this is not and overnight success. Glad you responded and viewed the comments in a positive way and taking responsibility. Cheers Buddy!

    We are up and running..always!
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks Roque! “Press on” indeed. Stick with it, and you’ll be rewarded for your patience.

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  19. Is that in the Philippines? What’s it like out there? I’m in Bangkok now.

    $40,000 would be amazing. Even $4000 would be too right about now.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Yeah, I believe the $40k that John referenced above was earned in the Philippines.

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  20. Interesting discussion you started here Eric. It’s easy to spend the up front effort to build a site and then become discouraged when the ranks, traffic, and dollars don’t show up as quickly as we’d like.

    I put up 8 sites and my traffic wass low. I stepped back and self assessed and relized that the sites had only been live a month and more importantly, I my KW reseach was bad and the traffic would probably never be real good.

    Lesson learned, and my refined approach to KW search and even to the article sourcing and site build process was improved for my next batch. I have about 4 new sites up a couple weeks – too early for results – but I know my process has improved and will continue to do so.

    A topic that jumped out at me, that I’m not seeing in the comments is about knowing when you’re done. You rightly differentiate a site being live vs. being complete.

    How do you define this difference?

    It is easy to do too things… over tinker with a site and not move on, or production line a string of half baked sites. How do you define the sweet spot in the middle??

    Reading from several sources, mostly you and Spencer I’ve crafted the following approach.

    1 – research KW, buy domain
    2 – ID 4 article titles and have these outsourced. 1 of the artiles is purposely short.
    3 – post 3 articles with interlinking across the articles on my site
    4 – set up Privacy, About, Contact, Terms, pages
    5 – set up adsense
    6 – wait 1 week
    7 – release the short article through MAN
    8 – Order a UAW 5er gig also using the short artile

    …wait… I’ve only started this process since mid January so not enough time has passed to see if this will work. But based on ideas from Spencer, this is a numbers game so start with a small site and build on those that show promise. I’m currently waiting for the promise. And meanwhile, continuing the building.

    When I complete those 8 steps, I consider them done, pending the need to grow the good ones.

    Thoughts on this? How do others know when to “move on”, rather than contiuing to tinker??

    Thanks All

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Hey Dave – excellent question (and comment). In fact, I like it so much that I’m going to feature it in my next blog post.

    If you can wait a few days, I’m going to hold off on replying to the comment here, and instead reply by writing a full blog post about it. Thanks!

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    Dave Reply:

    Cool. I’ll gladly wait for the longer treatment… look forward to your thoughts.
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  21. I enjoy your blog post. It’s awesome! It includes helpful tips. Additionally, it has a nice layout. We appreciate your sharing it around. I will return for many more updates.
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  22. Eric, I understand what you are trying to persuade us that “Patience is a virtue” which means don’t push things hard in time ‘coz if you keep on pushing it. You might wake up someday you’ll earn nothing.For me it’s better to engage in a step by step success so that gradually you can notice the fruit of your hardwork. One thing, you need to have time management in every blogging you have or put some schedule on it at least 5hrs/week or so. Just give it a try dude. Good Luck.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks James!

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  23. Hey Eric,

    When I read this post I’m reminded of Spinosa’s quote, “Now matter how thin you slice it, there’s always two sides.”

    Another my favorite quotes from Jim Rohn is, “Measurable progress in reasonable time”.

    And this leads into another goodie, “The name of the game is progress, not perfection.”

    It’s very cool to see you making leaps forward on a part-time basis and not waiting til someday to never, to actually jump in the game and do something.

    The act of taking massive action the way you have is an incredible lesson to everyone watching here.

    I look forward to seeing what happens good, bad, or ugly, knowing that you’ve succeeded whether you make a jillion dollars or not, you’ve done more than the majority ever will.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Great quotes, Lewis, and thanks for the comment. I appreciate the support! :)

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  24. I fully agree that you can’t always look at things quite so cut and dry. I also personally think it is a good idea to have a good mix of authority and micro niche sites. I’ve got sites that make anywhere from a dollar or two a month to several hundred a month.obviously if I had to choose only one of my sites I’d keep the big one, but I’m actually going to continue going forward by building a mix of authority and micro niche sites (and some that I consider to be somewhere inbetween micro and authority… “micro-authority” maybe?).

    The other thing is that I have some I consider finished, but like you many of them are not (and even the finished ones I plan to revisit eventually and build on more after they’ve sat for a while).

    It actually becomes kind of comical sometimes. Working from home, people are always blown away when I tell them I make money online. They always want me to explain it and then ask how many sites I have and how much I make per site… I guess I could figure out an average, but it varies so much that an average really isn’t relevant for anything unless they just want to do some math to find out how much I’m making lol.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the comment, John. And I agree, a mix of authority and micro niche sites is the best way to go, provided you have the time to do both.

    I read your post about how you recently (somewhat recently?) quit your job – congrats, and best of luck! I hope to hear some great success stories from you soon.

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    John Reply:

    I guess I missed the notification of your reply an just now saw it.

    I quit my job back in late September so it’s been a few months. Unfortunately I didn’t leave on the terms I would’ve liked to… wasn’t the best situation. It’s been really cool having more freedom, but I’m just now getting to where I can focus more on building up my online income. So I’ve been doing a lot of strategizing lately and working to put my plans into action.

    Thanks for the well wishes :) I feel like I’ve got a solid plan to move forward with.
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  25. Keep it up man! Don’t get discouraged by ANYTHING incl. the ban. Micro niche FTW

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  26. Hi Eric,
    I sort of agree with Dan’s comment. But I am sure from what I have seen on your site that you will not fail. Because you know what you are doing and you know where to go.
    However I am of the opinion on going for a big project that suits a talented person like you.
    Thanks.

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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the comment, Zaeem, I appreciate it!

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  27. Wow this was a good post. The honesty and transparecy is great. Eric what you are doing is awesome. I just started my own blog site. Is there any way we can network, to help each other get to where we want to go. I know I may not have much to offer as I just started. But hopefully I can eventually.
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the comment and the support, Bradley. I’m not sure how we can network, but I’m always open to ideas. Feel free to hit me up on my contact form.

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  28. That really a good post to read.You have shared such nice content, great writing.

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  29. Hi Eric,
    I followed the link to 64 ways to save money you sent me and then just spent an enjoyable bunch of time reading this long thread about your foray into building a bunch of mini-sites.

    I like your attitude about experimenting with that concept since you have enough income to take care of your family’s expenses and you are helping your readers by sharing your progress.

    I’m going to go read your article about 142 ways to make money!

    Fran
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    Eric G. Reply:

    Thanks for the comment Fran! Let me know if you have any questions.

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